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		<description><![CDATA[utes we&#8217;re talking to him in the lobby of his workplace. As soon as he came out of the elevator, we looked at him. He was very slender, wearing a suit, and balding a bit. The strain had obviously worn &#8230; <a href="http://www.bayareaword.com/460/talking-ron-karen/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>utes we&#8217;re talking to him in the lobby of his workplace. As soon as he came out of the elevator, we looked at him. He was very slender, wearing a suit, and balding a bit. The strain had obviously worn on him. I could see a bit of relief that San Francisco was involved and I realized he recognized us. &#8221; Thank you, Inspectors, for coming down quickly,&#8221; he said. &#8216; I&#8217;ve just got to talk to you.&#8217; And we sat down and took some notes. Soon as we spoke to him I could detect the truth coming out of his mouth.</p>
<p>&#8221; Initially, what we did was listen. If you want to learn something, you listen. We asked him if we could speak with his wife. He said, &#8221; Of course. I&#8217;d like you to speak with my wife because she feels like I do.&#8221; And we felt this sound pretty good, the best that we over had of any suspect, with a brother coming forward and not being satisfied with what the other sheriffs&#8217; and police departments has been doing.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8221; We told him we&#8217;d like to come to his home that evening and take in-depth statement with his wife and get some proof and corroboration. &#8216; I hope you don&#8217;t have a problem with that,&#8217; I said. &#8216;No&#8217;, he said. &#8216; My wife feels the same way. We&#8217;re both frightened. I&#8217;d like you to talk to my wife.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8221; We called Jack Mulanax to set it up. &#8216; I talked to the guy&#8217;. Mulanax said. &#8216; We&#8217;ve checked Allen out pretty well.&#8217; &#8216; I know,&#8217; I told him believing him to a degree, &#8216; but Ron&#8217;s giving us some more information and we just have to tell you we&#8217;re coming into your territory. It&#8217;s police courtesy. The brother called us. We can&#8217;t put it away.&#8217; &#8221; The behavior of the Vallejo P.D. has always puzzled Torchi. It was as if a second mystery under lay the watery town of Vallejo, invisibly affecting the investigation at every turn. &#8221; For some reason Lynch and Lundblad didn&#8217;t want to come to some of our early conferences is Sacramento. And here Bill and I are driving ninety miles up here.</p>
<p>&#8221; We arrived at the Allen home at 7:30 p.m. It was still light out. Karen had expected us, but rambled for twenty minutes not really saying anything. It was corroborated later that evening how serious they look us. &#8216; I know there are a lot of leads coming in and clues,&#8217; she said. They had consulted an uncle before calling, to be certain they were doing the right thing.</p>
<p>&#8221; Everything was coming out slow, but every time she would say something of substance, Ron would shake his head, and say, &#8216; Yes, that&#8217;s true. They were both in sync with each other out of their fears and concern that he was still out there.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Minutes later we&#8217;re talking to him in the lobby of his workplace. As soon as he came out of the elevator, we looked at him. He was very slender, wearing a suit, and balding a bit. The strain had obviously &#8230; <a href="http://www.bayareaword.com/443/minutes-later/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minutes later  we&#8217;re talking to him in the lobby of his workplace. As soon as he came out of the elevator, we looked at him. He was very slender, wearing a suit, and balding a bit. The strain had obviously worn on him. I could see a bit of relief that San Francisco was involved and I realized he recognized us. &#8220;Thank you, Inspectors, for coming down so quickly,&#8221; he said. I&#8217;ve just got to talk to you. And we sat down and took notes. Soon as we spoke to him I could &#8216;No&#8217;, he said, &#8216;My wife feels the same way. We&#8217;re both detect the truth coming out of his mouth.<br />
&#8220;Initially, what we did was listen. If you want to learn something, you listen. We asked him if we could speak with his wife. He said, &#8221; Of course. I&#8217;d like you to speak with my wife because she fells like I do.&#8221; And we felt this sound pretty good, the best that we ever had of any suspect, with a brother coming forward and not being satisfied with what the other sheriffs&#8217; and police departments has been doing.<br />
&#8220;We told him we&#8217;d like to come to his home that evening and take in-depth statement with his wife and get some proof &amp; corroboration. &#8216;I hope you don&#8217;t have a problem with that,&#8217; I said. &#8216;No&#8217;, he said, &#8216;My wife feels the same way. We&#8217;re both frightened. I&#8217;d like to talk to my wife.&#8217;<br />
&#8220;We called Jack Mulanax to set it up. &#8216;I talked to the guy&#8217;, Mulanax said, &#8216;We&#8217;ve checked Allen out pretty well.&#8217; &#8216;I know,&#8217; I told him, believing him to a degree &#8216;but Ron&#8217;s giving us some more information and we just have to tell you we&#8217;re coming into your territory. It&#8217;s police courtesy. The brother called us. We can&#8217;t put it away&#8217; &#8220;. The behavior of the Vallejo P.D. has always puzzled Torchi. It was as if a second mystery under lay the watery town of Vallejo, invisibly affecting the investigation at every turn. &#8220;For some reason Lynch and Lundbled didn&#8217;t want to come to some of our early conferences in Sacramento. And here Bill and I are driving ninety miles up there.<br />
&#8220;We arrived at the Allen home at 7:30 p.m. It was still light out. Karen had expected us, but rambled for twenty minutes not really saying anything. It was carroborates later that evening how serious they look us. &#8216; I know there are a lot of leads coming in and clues,&#8217; she said. They had consulted an uncle before calling, to be certain they were doing the right thing.<br />
&#8220;Everything was coming out slow, but every time she would say something of substance, Ron would shake his head, and say, &#8216; Yes, thats true.&#8217; They were both in sync with each other out of their fear and concern that he was still out there.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[As soon as he came out of the elevator, we looked at him. He was very slender, wearing a suit and balding a bit. The strain had obviously worn on him. I could see a bit of relief that San &#8230; <a href="http://www.bayareaword.com/401/zodiac-unmasked-1/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As soon as he came out of the elevator, we looked at him. He was very slender, wearing a suit and balding a bit. The strain had obviously worn on him. I could see a bit of relief that San Francisco was involved and I realized he recognized us. &#8216;Thank you, Inspectors, for coming down so quickly,&#8217; he said. &#8216;I&#8217;ve just got to talk to you.&#8217; And we sat down and took some notes. Soon as we spoke to him I could detect the truth coming out of his mouth.</p>
<p>&#8220;Initially, what we did was listen. If you want to learn something, you listen. We asked him if we could speak with his wife. He said, &#8216;Of course. I&#8217;d like tou to speak with my wife because she feels like I do. And we felt this sounds pretty good, the best that we ever had of any suspect, with a brother coming forward and not being satisfied with what the other sheriffs&#8217; and police departments had been doing.</p>
<p>&#8220;We told him we&#8217;d like to come to his home that evening and take in-depth statements with his wife and get some proof and corroboration. &#8216;I hope you don&#8217;t have a problem with that.&#8217; I said. &#8216;No,&#8217; he said, &#8216;My wife feels the same way. We&#8217;re both frightened. I&#8217;d like you to talk to my wife.</p>
<p>&#8220;We called Jack Mulanax to set it up. &#8216;I talked to they guy.&#8217; Mulanax said. &#8216;We&#8217;ve checked Allen out pretty well.&#8217; &#8216;I know,&#8217; I told him, believing him to a degree, &#8216;but Ron&#8217;s giving us some more information and we just have to tell you we&#8217;re coming into your territory. It&#8217;s a police courtesy. The brother called us. We can&#8217;t put it away.&#8217; &#8221; The behavior of the Vallejo P.D. had always puzzled Toschi. It was as if a second mystery underlay the watery town of Vallejo, invisible affecting the investigation at every turn. &#8220;For some reason Lynch and Lunblad didn&#8217;t want to come to some of our early conferences in Sacramento. And here Bill and I are driving ninety miles up there.</p>
<p>&#8220;We arrived at the Allen home at 7:30 P.M. It was still light out. Karen had expected us, but rambled for twenty minutes not really saying anything. It was corroborated later that evening how serious they took us. &#8216;I know there are a lot of leads coming in and clues,&#8217; she said. They had consulted an uncle before calling, to be certain they were doing the right thing.</p>
<p>&#8220;Everything was coming out slow, but every-time she would say something out of substance, Ron would shake his head, and say, &#8216;Yes, that&#8217;s true.&#8217; They were both in sync with each other out of their fear and concern that he was still out there.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#8217;re talking to him in the lobby of his workplace. As soon as he came out of the elevator, we looked at him.  He was very slender, wearing a suit , and balding a bit. The strain had obviously worn &#8230; <a href="http://www.bayareaword.com/378/zodiac-unmasked/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re talking to him in the lobby of his workplace. As soon as he came out of the elevator, we looked at him.  He was very slender, wearing a suit , and balding a bit. The strain had obviously worn on him. I could see a bit of relief that San Francisco was involved and I realized he recognized us. &#8216;Thank you, Inspectors,for coming down so quickly,&#8217;he said. &#8216;I&#8217;ve just got talk to you.&#8217; And we sat down and took some notes. Soon as we spoke to him I could detect  the truth coming out of his mouth.</p>
<p>&#8220;Initially, what we did was listen. If you want to learn something, you listen. We asked him if we could speak with his wife. He said. &#8216;Of course. I&#8217;d like you to speak with my wife because she feels like I do. And we felt this sounds pretty good,  the best we ever had of any suspect, with a brother coming forward and not being satisfied with that the other sheriffs&#8217; and police  departments had been doing.</p>
<p>&#8220;We told him we&#8217;d like to come to his home that evening and take in- depth statements with his wife and get some proof  and corroboration. &#8216;I hope you don&#8217;t have a problem with that,&#8217; I said. &#8216;No,&#8217; he said. &#8216;My wife feels the same way. We&#8217;re both frightened . I&#8217;d like you to talk to my wife.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8220;We called Jack Mulanax to set it up. &#8216;I talked to the guy,&#8217; Mulanax said. &#8216;We&#8217;ve checked Allen out pretty well.&#8217; I know,&#8217; I told him, believing him to a degree, &#8216;but Ron&#8217;s giving us some more information  and we just have to tell you we&#8217;re coming into your territory. It&#8217;s police courtesy. The brother called us. We can&#8217;t put it away.&#8217; &#8220;The behavior of the Vallejo P.D. had always puzzled Toschi. It was as if a second mystery underlay the watery town of Vallejo, invisibly affecting the investigation at every turn. &#8220;For some reason Lynch and Lundbland didn&#8217;t want  to come to some of our early conferences in Sacramento. And here Bill and I are driving ninety miles up there.</p>
<p>&#8220;We arrived at the Allen home at 7:30PM. It was still light out. Karen had expected us, but rambled for twenty minutes not really saying anything. It was corroborated later that evening how serious they took us. &#8216;I know there are  a lot of leads coming in and clues,&#8217; she said. They had consulted an uncle before calling, to be certain they were doing the right thing.</p>
<p>&#8220;Everything was coming out slow, but every time she would say something of substance, Ron would shake his head, and say, &#8216;Yes, that&#8217;s true.&#8217; They were both  sync with each other out of their fear and concern that he was still out there.</p>
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		<title>Lack of Sharing of Information Concerning the Zodiac</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;I do not think that there is any doubt on this&#8221; said Mulanax &#8220;Although I base my conclusions at least in part , on a large amount of circumstantial evidence&#8221; . In addition Mulnax retorts &#8221; We might find out &#8230; <a href="http://www.bayareaword.com/68/lack-of-sharing-of-information-concerning-the-zodiac/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I do not think that there is any doubt on this&#8221; said Mulanax &#8220;Although I base my conclusions at least in part , on a large amount of circumstantial evidence&#8221;  .   In addition Mulnax retorts &#8221; We might find out when more people come forward or time just rolls onwards&gt;&#8221;</p>
<p>Graysmith mentions the lack of information -trading among police departments as an on-going basis.  Sharing of information among police departments limits cross information and even serendipity.   The September 11 attacks certainly showed that this  problem of limiting information among services and across services certainly limits action and response.</p>
<p>The question arose more than one time , and in different police officers and departments that perhaps more than one killer was involved in the Zodiac killings.  Perhaps there was more than one killer , perhaps the killers acted in concert , as was shown in the Son of Sam events , perhaps it was a matter of a single original Zodiac who then had copycats &#8211; seeking the same fame .</p>
<p>With sharing of information on  a transparent level more may of come to light in solving the mystery of the &#8220;Zodiac&#8221;.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who and what was the Bay Area “Zodiac Killer”. The Zodiac Killer was a well publicized killer of many people &#8211; a serial killer. The Zodiac Killer became infamous as he always left his mark – a mark like Zorro &#8230; <a href="http://www.bayareaword.com/25/bay-area-zodiac/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span>Who and what was the Bay Area “Zodiac Killer”.<span> </span>The Zodiac Killer was a well publicized killer of many people &#8211; a serial killer.<span> </span>The Zodiac Killer became infamous as he always left his mark – a mark like Zorro so to speak.<span> </span>In this case it was across superimposed on a round circle.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span>The Zodiac Killer operated in the Northern California area.<span> </span>This was during a 10 month area in the late 1960’s.The Zodiac Killer was never found or apprehended.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span>How did the Zodiac get his name?<span> </span>Did the Zodiac Killer or the Northern California police coin the term?<span> </span>It turns out that the legend is that the Zodiac coined his name in a series of rather taunting and goading letters he sent to the press ( Bay Area Newspapers and radio stations mainly) ,<span> </span>These letters continued to be sent and received to the press until even 1974.<span> </span>The letters of the Zodiac Killer included four codes of the type called “Cryptograms”.<span> </span>Cryptograms are a form of a Cipher type code.<span> </span>One of these four puzzles was solved.<span> </span>The remaining three remain unsolved and undetermined.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span>The Zodiac murdered five known victims in the Vallejo, Lake Berryessa and San Francisco between December 1968 and December 1969.<span> </span>Another geographic bay area covered by this serial killer was the Bay area “Benicia”/</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span>Three women and four men were targeted.<span> </span>Their targeted ages ranged between 16 and 30. Other people were murdered in a manner similar to the Zodiac Killer.<span> </span>It has never been determined to what extent these were genuine Zodiac Killer victims or copycat events.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span>In April 2004 the San Francisco Police Department marked the Zodiac Killer case file as “inactive”.<span> </span>This file was reopened by the San Francisco Police at some time before March 2007.<span> </span>The case does remain open in the police departments of some other jurisdictions as well.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span>The Zodiac did claim in letters to newspapers that he had murdered as many as 37 people.<span> </span></p>
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